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    Post by dclark44 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:28 pm

    ok ok this is getting out of hand. I would agree that the late pitch is kinda cheap, just cause it takes all your defending to the ball carrier and as soon as he is being tackled the ball is pitched. Reiterating in what was said before a big if not huge gain. If I were to base my opinion on what I have seen in previous games I have played, I hate it. But overall, its a game, so I mean, oh well....if what I said even makes sense
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    Post by Joker12 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:37 pm

    Late pitches are pretty gay but I don't complain I've seen 2-3 times a person late pitch and fumble the
    ball right to me so...
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    Post by da5playmaker on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:37 pm

    urbanslegend05 wrote:
    da5playmaker wrote:over at TF anytime you hit a late pitch you have to run out on the spot where it's caught at, The reason it's works so well is cause every crashes the qb and no one is covering the rb and boom it's a big gain, the quarterback rarely ever fumbles it to the rb. I did it vs jusblaze once and I ran it out of bounds for a -2 yards cause it's a shady move. But I don't care anymore if someone does it from here on out I'll just combat it with some shady moves like it or not.

    Sorta like when you went for it on fourth-and-5 from your own 27, in the second quarter, which is clearly against the rules? Then again, I'm not a bitch so I don't complain.

    this league has no rules i believe it's shady jail house football. And if ur bitching about 4th down u did it twice.
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    Post by jusblaze09 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:41 pm

    I went for it on 4th down on my 33 in the 4th because

    A) I knew CT would score on the drive
    B) I didn't want his offense to come on the field
    C) Shorter field = Less time to score = More time for me to come back

    Taking that into account, I had no choice but to go for it.

    As far as late pitching, Im not speaking becuase last time I brought it up people thought I was crazy.
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    Post by dclark44 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:41 pm

    12, A word of advice, don't blame the player, blame ea for making you lose. Say "I guess the game just didn't want me to win". People will agree with you. Not mentioning any names at all, but when they do it people tend to agree more
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    Post by jusblaze09 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:46 pm

    jhawk886 wrote:I hate the late pitches too. But not because people do them, but because they are on the game. When someone uses them against you, you're right, the CPU cannot defend them very effectively and it can be an exploit.

    That said I use them too. I'd say I generally have about a 75-80% success rate on late pitches. I still hate them though because when they screw you, they can really screw you. It's very easy to lose a game because of fumbling or having a late pitch intercepted. I would much rather not be able to do a late pitch and then it would eliminate the problem entirely. You would have to adapt to pitching right before you got hit.

    Unfortunately, as the game system currently is, it is almost always best to wait until you get hit and then pitch it, otherwise your pitch man is gonna get tackled right away too. So the game essentially forces you into making late pitches. If you play against someone who runs an option offense, you better expect to see some late pitches, however regrettable that is.

    Not true, and I think I proved that year 1
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    Post by urbanslegend05 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:46 pm

    4th and incges at the goalline and your own 25 inn the 2nd qtr are wayyyyyyyyyyy different.
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    Post by stoptherun on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:47 pm

    Late pitches are scary scary business to me. In my experience they have about a 50% success rate. Half the time my qb throws it on the ground near the sideline (away from the tailback right where the D can pick it up and run it back for a TD), or just pitches it right to the linebacker so he can take it to the house. One time he even pitched it back over his head into the tackle box! They scare the daylights out of me so I generally try to avoid them unless the RB is so wide open it's just money. Play at your own risk. U live by the option, u can die by it too...
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    Post by splff3000 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:49 pm

    da5playmaker wrote:

    this league has no rules i believe it's shady jail house football. And if ur bitching about 4th down u did it twice.

    This league does have rules but it seems looks no one has been following them lol. I can't do nothing about something if I don't know about it. So no need to complain now if it wasn't brought up before. From what I see it looks like both of you guys were doing some unsim stuff.

    As for the late pitches, like I said before, I didn't know anything about it. After reading some of your posts it looks like it's a real problem. Don't know how I haven't ran across it yet, but oh well, it's here now. I like the TF rules about having to step out of bounds on a late pitch. That way if you do it on accident you can atone for it. Do you guys think that's a reasonable rule?


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    Post by dclark44 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:50 pm

    You know what I am sick and tired of. Bad drivers, I mean, how many of you are out there
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    Post by jusblaze09 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:52 pm

    TBF, sometimes lag can make it seem like a late pitch when you pressed L2 way before that.
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    Post by dclark44 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:53 pm

    IMO, Go Razorbacks
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    Post by splff3000 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:53 pm

    Are you guys sure this can't be stopped? I don't wanna make a rule for something that can be stopped with the right play call.
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    Post by dclark44 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:55 pm

    its tough to stop the play splff. All your defensive players run to the ball carrier, just like a qb scramble. Then when they are all around him and tackling him, the ball is pitched to the running back. does this clear it up a little bit?
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    Post by splff3000 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:57 pm

    dclark44 wrote:its tough to stop the play splff. All your defensive players run to the ball carrier, just like a qb scramble. Then when they are all around him and tackling him, the ball is pitched to the running back. does this clear it up a little bit?

    Yeah, I remember kid used to do this back in the day on older versions, but nowadays he fumbles about as often as he makes it. Hmmm, What do you guys think? Does it need a rule?
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    Post by dclark44 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:59 pm

    if you have an aware quarterback and running back, he makes a good pitch to the running back, as far as I know. I think we could throw rules out there and see what people think...
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    Post by da5playmaker on Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:59 pm

    No it can't be stopped because when the qb is being wrapped up all your defensive players are crashing in on the qb as the play is about to be dead and the quarterback flips it one handed michael jordan like and the running back is wide open and no1 near him. It's broken AI in the game been like this for years.
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    Post by stoptherun on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:00 pm

    splff3000 wrote:
    dclark44 wrote:its tough to stop the play splff. All your defensive players run to the ball carrier, just like a qb scramble. Then when they are all around him and tackling him, the ball is pitched to the running back. does this clear it up a little bit?

    Yeah, I remember kid used to do this back in the day on older versions, but nowadays he fumbles about as often as he makes it. Hmmm, What do you guys think? Does it need a rule?

    read my post above. In my opinion it often leads to disaster. look at the fumble numbers for the option teams at the end of the season. its madness.
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    Post by splff3000 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:01 pm

    dclark44 wrote:if you have an aware quarterback and running back, he makes a good pitch to the running back, as far as I know. I think we could throw rules out there and see what people think...

    Well the only rule I can think of is the run out of bounds rule 12oz was talking about. What do you guys think of that? Also, we have to clearly define what is late. I haven't seen this too much so I'll leave that part up to yall.
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    Post by stoptherun on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:01 pm

    dclark44 wrote:if you have an aware quarterback and running back, he makes a good pitch to the running back, as far as I know. I think we could throw rules out there and see what people think...

    My qb in rivals has 99 awareness how did that work out?
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    Post by Joker12 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:02 pm

    Lol I'm fine with a rule, there goes Urbans offense haha


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    Post by dclark44 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:03 pm

    stoptherun wrote:
    dclark44 wrote:if you have an aware quarterback and running back, he makes a good pitch to the running back, as far as I know. I think we could throw rules out there and see what people think...

    My qb in rivals has 99 awareness how did that work out?
    He must be an engineering student
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    Post by dclark44 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:06 pm

    Joker12 wrote:Lol I'm fine with a rule, there goes Urbans offense haha
    you mean urban might actually have to complete more than 5 passes in a game to win?
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    Post by jhawk886 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:14 pm

    This is definitely an interesting development. I personally don't think it needs a rule, because as stop said, you live by it and you can die by it. Plus it also depends on your defense. If you have a good defense, they will generally cover the pitch man most of the time. You can also set your gameplan to cover the pitch man, and then you take control of someone to go after the QB yourself. There are many ways to combat it, it can be hard to stop, but it's not impossible. I've played a few option teams, urban twice in here and pops in rivals, and have yet to get killed by late pitches because they are "unstoppable". You just have to play smart defense and plan for it. If you only have one guy out there to cover both guys, well you should be screwed.
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    Post by da5playmaker on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:14 pm

    glad other people know that urban abuses it. We were having a good game till he started using the shady shit and then I just didn't care I was about to quit the game and let him finish vs the cpu because it was getting to be bad. There was only maybe 1 or 2 clean pitches every other one was questionable to straight up bad. There was one time where he was tackled on the ground and you could see his qb's arm flick like he hit the L2 button but he couldn't get it out.

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